Ian GartshoreShould be interesting to see what the Minister
decides. This could affect shipping metro van's trash to other jurisdictions,
no? Ah, long
weekends. For incineration,
I mean.
Jim Routledgesorting, Material Recovery something somethng
Ian GartshoreI wonder if
Metro Van has thought this through?
Jim RoutledgeUnamous at the board level, even Vancouver directors support
this
Ian GartshoreMe don't
understand... They don't want to see their garbage exported while putting out
an RFP for WTE options that would require exporting their garbage!
Jim RoutledgeThey don't want to see their garbage exported - period
Ian GartshoreNot even to
Nanaimo?? Or are we talking about the city of Vancouver vs. Metro Vancouver?
Jim RoutledgeThe point is to stop it going unsorted and uninspected to Oregon
- all the efforts to insitute diversion, bans and prohibitions is being
undermined
Jim Routledgeyes, the risk is that it does open the door to
incineration.so do I trust the system
and put my faith in the people running it or vote against it and risk the whole
last 20 years of gains
Ian GartshoreSo the ban
on export of waste is only for unsorted stuff, right? So why does this open the
door to incineration? Because then there's more trash to deal with?
Jim Routledgeits a complex issue Ian - hard to explain.I have been working on this for a while.I am a business kinda guy and my university
degree taught me to be wary of things like "monopoly",
"expropriation" & "Government controls" yet I find
myself leaning towards that in the name of saving the planet, jobs and fairness
to taxpayers
Ian GartshoreI get that.
Isn't it fun (not!) when our simple solutions don't work very well in the more
complex world of reality??
Jim Routledgeto answer your question - it opens the door to incineration
because without Bylaw 280 there is no control for any purpose going forward -
incineration, local landfill volumes or MRfs
Ian GartshoreIt appears
to me that we are slowly reducing the power of governments while simultaneously
increasing the power of large corporations. I see.
Jim Routledgethis Bylaw 280 will do the exact opposite - more government its the application of
280 if it passes, if mary says "yes" that is the biggest challenge -
it could be done right
Ian GartshoreWe don't
need incinerators. I am trying to understand this situation from Metro Van's
perspective.
Jim Routledgeif you let
your trash leave the province, no jobs, no NRE, no diversion targets - are you
sure that’s what you want?
Ian GartshoreI don't
think waste resources should be shipped off-shore any more than should raw
logs. Nope. I am trying to
understand Metro Van's perspective.
Jim Routledgeit is a tricky one - I think there is too much too lose to let
private industry handle this - its a public thing, like education, water,
ferries
Ian GartshoreI think
that private industry could make wiser decisions if we did a full cost
accounting -one that includes the usually externalized costs of hauling
distances, burning, burying, etc. In other words, including the costs of pollution, GHG
emissions, having to dig up more resources, etc.
Jim Routledgewho stands to benefit if Bylaw 280 is defeated, if Mary says
"No"?
Jim Routledgeyes and the jobs here that are at risk - NRE, our landfill, our
recycle industry
Ian GartshoreYep. And one more sector
would continue to benefit: industries that generate a lot of waste, especially
the food sector. They throw away tons of edible foods every year.
Jim Routledgegood point Ian-its a slippery slope ,we just start getting serious buy in on recycle and
then take the pressure off - how crazy would that be
Ian GartshoreChad of our
local Green Store said that he has difficulty getting some of these discards
because they're rather throw it away then have to sell it to him! I know the RDN solid
waste folk are concerned about lots materials. That should read "lost materials."
Jim Routledgemost every regional district has sent letters of support for 280
to the minister
Ian GartshoreI was just
told one of their staff that the MMBC funds are not subsidizing or lowering the
tipping fees but are used for subsidizing their utility bills. I see. Do you get to play a
role in this decision, Jim?
Jim RoutledgeI am nobody Ian - so no - not yet at least
Ian GartshoreOK. I think
those funds should be used to boost local manufacturing utilizing the waste
stream.
Jim Routledgei would love to play a role if its endorsed - it it goes ahead -
yes, yes, yes - you got the idea now
Ian GartshoreHow about
using some of the Duke Point area for a waste recovery center and associated
manufacturing?
Jim RoutledgeGood
morning Ian - could I please have your permission to share the conversation we
had above about Bylaw 280.You asked
some good questions.
Bylaw 280 is a garbage hauling bylaw. It is a proposed rule that says if you make garbage here, you have to dump it here, at one of the government approved places.
Bylaw 280 aims to stop the increasing trend of hauling waste to Oregon.
One year ago Bylaw 280 was unanimously passed and supported at the civic level. It requires Provincial approval, Mary Polak - Minister of Environment, in order to be enacted. Her decision is expected soon.
Bylaw 280 has been described as:
1) a Tax Grab
2) a step towards an Incinerator
3) help for Recycle & Diversion
4) part of Provincial Recycle Plan
5) the best option to share costs
6) A Substantial Move
I think Bylaw 280 is all of the above. It is a big deal.
It represents a fundamental decision about what governments role is, in the lives of citizens.
Like water, education & ferries I believe it makes sense for waste to be a public responsibility. There is more than money at stake here. There is a bigger picture - its about the planet, the air, the water and how we shape economic activity moving forward.
If enacted Bylaw 280 will create more government.
How exactly that happens - exactly what, when & how this new bureaucracy is set up & operates is vitally important. I believe it should and will happen. I can see that the responsibility to see it done right, is one of the biggest challenges facing elected officials and citizens this generation.
A robust, progressive waste management system is a vital part of the modern world. It simply has to be balance the interests of all stakeholders - private, public and Non Profit.
Bylaw 280 makes it clear whose job "trash" is and how it will be funded. I sincerely support it and want to be involved in the process, in the solution.
The "treasure" in trash is more than money - support bylaw 280.
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Good point George, debate has taken place and since I was absent I would appreciate a moment, to at least try to do what I said to my neighbours, that I would do - change the plan.
If this neighbourhood can get one line on this plan changed, would it not speak positively about the Master Plan and the city's sensitivity to its residents?
Regards
Jim Routledge
On 2014-02-11, at 10:33 AM, George Anderson wrote:
Hi Jim,
As you are aware the committee discussed this item at the last meeting and potential solutions, which included possible deletion. The committee decided the best option would be to leave options open and if/when the property develops that discussions with the neighbourhood take place to see if traffic calming measure can be implemented or potential disconnection of Parkwood Drive. I am happy to clarify the debate with you in person and Mr.Foy can clarify how the potential traffic mitigation may work as well. Therefore, since debate has taken place on the issue, I would like to see the committee move forward with the direction given.
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Good day TAC members: My apology for missing the last meeting. Compliments to all for the continued good progress. I feel obliged to follow up on one item that affects the neighbourhood where I both I've and work - Parkwood. The following excerpt from the minutes of the last meeting indicates the concerns raised over recent weeks and months since the Woodgrove Open house in November. Subsequent to the open house, I attended a meeting on this issue of approximately 65 area residents at Randerson Ridge School. Another neighbourhood meeting voicing concerns occurred in December at Cathedral Grove Park which was attended by city staff.
"TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE 2013-Dec-19 Minutes: Page 6 8. NEW BUSINESS: a) Parkwood Neighbourhood As part of DP#3 – Major Roads (Map 7), Enterprise Way is proposed to be extended east to Uplands Drive and Uplands Drive completed to four lanes if the Green Thumb site redevelops. Both projects are identified as long-term and dependent on future development. The adjacent Parkwood neighbourhood is concerned that Parkwood Drive is being used as a short-cut between Uplands Drive and Turner Road and is concerned that a proposed connection to Enterprise Way will exaggerate this behaviour. The City has responded to several emails from the neighbourhood advising that the City does not have any intentions of changing Parkwood Drive or its function as a neighbourhood street. The only change in the plan specific to Parkwood Drive is to identify it as a potential local street bikeway.
TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE 2013-Dec-19 Page 7 If at the time development occurs on the Green Thumb site, the City would consider whether mitigation is required on Parkwood Drive in the form of traffic calming, or if the neighbourhood supports it, disconnection of Parkwood Drive. The best time to address these issues is if or when a development is proposed. Wording to clarify these positions could be added to the Plan to address neighbourhood concerns. David Murchie would like to see more generic wording used, rather than naming a specific street. Feels it is appropriate to add “in the event that a road is being used inappropriately due to congestion of other routes, we will do traffic calming”. "
I would like to propose a specific change to the above referenced Map 7:
that the proposal to "extend Enterprise east to Uplands" be deleted as shown.
It is just the "Uplands leg" from the Enterprise/Calinda road that I would like to see deleted from the plan. The plan and map would still show a connection from Enterprise to Calinda, i I agree completely with the logic described in the minutes that the best time to address specifics would be if and when development occurs. If the Uplands "leg" is deemed necessary at that time, it could still be incorporated by way of the City's planning and development approval process that includes considerable opportunity for public input and "mitigation".